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May 24, 2010

Outraged People against a mosque at ground zero

I recently noticed that one of my Facebook friends had joined a group called Outraged People against a mosque at ground zero! Of course I was instantly annoyed and suspicious.

I looked into it a bit and apparently there are no plans to build a new mosque at Ground Zero. What there are plans to do is build a mosque and Islamic cultural center 2-3 blocks from the World Trade Center site in the old Burlington Coat Factory building at Park Place and Broadway. The proposed Cordoba House cultural center - which would be open to all New Yorkers - is intended to foster better relations between Muslims and non-Muslims in the community. Better relations between Muslims and non-Muslims? Sounds like a great idea. So why all the outrage?

Oh that's right... some people are too Islamophobic, xenophobic and racist to understand the difference between a few extreme Islamic terrorists and the majority of Muslim people.  Sorry, that was a knee-jerk response. I've been getting a lot of nasty Islamophobic email forwards lately so I'm a little on edge.

I do understand why 9/11 survivors and the families of 9/11 victims might not like the idea of a mosque near Ground Zero. I can even understand why they might be a little Islamophobic or biased at this point. What happened at the World Trade Center on September 11 was horrible. In fact, "horrible" doesn't even begin to describe it. Even after almost 10 years, wounds are still raw, defenses are still on high, and anger is justified. So I can understand why a mosque - any mosque - might feel like a symbol of the monsters who flew planes into the Twin Towers. I get it.

But the thing is, those terrorists were radical Islamic extremists. They may have used Islam to justify the murder of many people, but Islam was not the cause of the 9/11 attack. Hatred was. And we should know by now that hatred only begets more hatred... Islam is not a religion of hatred and violence. It isn't. At least not any more than Christianity is. Because I can list quite a few violent and terrorist actions done by Christians in and out of the U.S. And I doubt anyone would object to a Christian church being opened near any of the sites of Christian-related crimes. I doubt anyone would call Christianity a religion of violence. (And although I can think of a few people who might call it a religion of hatred, I think even they would admit that that is an unfair generalization.)

You can't judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a select few, no matter how horrible those actions are. Although there does exist a very small subgroup of radical Fundamentalist terrorists, by far the majority of Muslims are peaceful and moderate. But try telling that to the people on Facebook.

From the group's description:

This is an opportunity for people to voice their disagreement against the insult of a Mosque anywhere near ground zero. The news reports that no one has objected to the plan. Let them know how wrong they are!
Why is it an insult to have a mosque "anywhere near" Ground Zero? It's two or three blocks away... how near is too near? Many of the members of the group apparently seem to think that anywhere in the United States is too "near" so where exactly are we going to draw the lines of what is appropriate and what is an "insult"? And of course, we should pay no attention to what an insult it is to associate all Muslims with a few extremists?

It's funny that the group claims news reports say no one has objected, when the Daily News report the group's admin linked to himself clearly says that some 9/11 families found the proposal offensive:

"I realize it's not all of them, but I don't want to have to go down to a memorial where my son died on 9/11 and look at a mosque," said retired FDNY Deputy Chief Jim Riches - whose son Jim, a firefighter, was killed on 9/11.
"If you ask me, it's a religion of hate," said Riches [emphasis mine]
Maybe they should have written "no one has any reasonable, non-ignorant objections to the plan."

I completely understand why people who experienced the 9/11 attacks first hand (or who lost a family member) would be a little apprehensive about this project, but if they'd take a minute to actually look into they'd realize that Islam is not a religion of hate and this building would not be a symbol of hate. What the terrorists did on 9/11 was horrible, but promoting anti-Muslim hatred based on the actions of a few extremists isn't okay. The majority of Muslims living in America are not extremists, they do not advocate violence, they are U.S. citizens or legal immigrants, and they do not hate America. (Although who could really blame Muslims for hating America at this point? Look at how so many Americans treat them.)

The project is a collaboration between the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative , which represents moderate Muslims who want to reverse the trend of extremism and the kind of ideology that the extremists are spreading.

"For us, it's a symbol, a platform that will give voice to the silent majority of Muslims who suffer at the hands of extremists. A center will show that Muslims will be part of rebuilding lower Manhattan," - Daisy Khan, executive director of ASMA [ New York Post ]
Scrolling down the Facebook group's wall was extremely disturbing. So much ignorance and misguided racism, Islamophobia and xenophobia. (It's also worth noting that so many of the members don't even live in New York.) I hit "flag" and "report" so many times, my mouse finger started cramping up. Here is just a sampling of some of the worst ones we noticed, but we can only imagine how many more offensive posts have been added in the time it took us to throw this blog post together. We ask that you please report any hate speech you see there, especially those that advocate or incite violence.

Inciting Violence

if they reallyy build that building i will see to it that it has a explosive ending and i dont care if i go to jail for that id be proud [ Report ]

kill them ararab dont give them a place to plan more atacks [ Report

if a mosque is built at, or around ground zero, i promise to do everything in my power to kill every inhuman terrorist fuck that walks into or out of that building. this is islam spitting in our face. fuck them i swear to god ill kill them all. call me racist. like i give a fuck. if you dont agree with me, get the fuck out of america. [ Report ]

ARE THEY JOKING....A MOSQUE? FUCK THEM THAT RELIGION IS THE REASON 911 happened ...FUCKIN EXTREMIST FUCKS...THEY SHOULD ALL BE PUT ON A ISLAND AND THEN DROP A NUKE ON IT [ Report ]
all mosque's should be burned to the ground and all muslims should be hung [ Report ]
(If you only have time to report a few of these comments, please at least report those five.)

Anti-Immigration

If you're here in American, enjoying our way of life & our fruitful life & living off our system (aka food stamps, social services, then DON"T EVEN criticize it. If you don't like it then get on the next plane home. I'm sick & tired of paying for illegals & baby makers who don't put one dime back into our system yet have the money for booze, ciggies & lotto tickets. Get a job & use birth control. [ Report ]

YOU KNOW WHAT i HATE MOST... THEY ARE ALL WANTING SO BAD TO COME HERE AND LIVE AND GET OUR MONEY MEDICAL, MEDICINE AND ANYOTHER OTHER THING THEY CAN GET FOR FREE AND WE HVE TO BUST OUR A--ES TO GET THIS AND MORE WE HAVE PEOLE LIVING IN TRAIN AND CARDBOARD BOXES OR ON THE STREET WANTING A PLACE TO CALL HOME AND WE HAND ...IT ALL OVER TO THESE PEOPLE... i JUST DONT UNDERSTAND THEN THEY TURN AROUND AND SMACK ... NO NO THEY PUNCH US IN OUR FACE!!! [ Report ]

When is immigration going to stop? We do not need anymore people from the Middle East here. Let it stop so true American's can get jobs! Remember our forefathers fought for freedom and where true to their new country, not like what they are letting in now. [ Report ]
Yeah, our forefathers who were... wait for it... immigrants. Unless you're Native American you're not a "true American" either.

Hold on a second here...BULL SHIT. In all my life I have never heard of or seen a Radical American going over to their country & strapping a bomb to their body & blowing up a truck in front of a building in the name of God? We need to do what Britain is doing, they have closed their doors to the colored people & stating "We have enough here now as it is" & not allowing any more. We need to stop work visas & paying everyone to come over her & start a new life & start paying the ones who are already here & focus on the AMERICANS 1st. [ Report ]
Wait, are they really suggesting that no Americans have ever gone to the Middle East and killed people? Really? Have they not heard of the U.S. military?

Anti-Obama

God help us. At least the president will have a place to pray in New York. [ Report ]

Obama and the rest of the muslims need to go back to the terrorist supporting countries where they can build all the mosques they want and blow each other up, GET THE HELL OUT OF AMERICA ![ Report ]

Of course they're going to build a mosque at ground zero, the American people elected a muslim president!! A liar and a non-citizen! America is divided and we're falling. Like the frog in the water that doesnt know its being boiled to death. May God help us! [ Report ]

.....and so the Islamification of America begins.....Actually, it begun by electing a Muslim president...Obama is a traitor from within..... [ Report ]
General Hatred and Ignorance
islam is a religion built on violence thats why most of them are animals it was spread through violence and they were told to kill all non believers of islam [ Report ]

the spreading of islam in this country is a big problem been saying for years [ Report ]

Islam: Every time you hear a bang the worlds a wanker short [ Report ]

I do not believe it is an insult to place a mosque near ground zero but an insult to place a mosque anywhere in the western world today. Islam is a foul, disgusting practice and should be shoned wherever it raises it's ugly head. If you want Islam then go where they have it already and do not push it on to civilised people. Thank you. [ Report ]

This is a slap in the face to every single person who perished that day and to the thousands (like me) who are now sick with respiratory ailments that have forever changed our lives...it's like Muslims dancing on the graves of our loved ones...and laughing as they do so....what bright light at the Dept of Buildings approved this? [ Report ]

a mosque at ground zero will only fuel the fire of anti-Americanism and probably serve as a covert training and recruiting facility for their next mission of murder that they will claim as fulfilling the will of Allah in pursuit of an Arab ruled world! The construction will serve as an extremists moral victory over the United States and the infidels. What bullsh!t! [ Report ]

the muslims are the reason we have a "ground zero". Their hatred for America, has been widely publicized across the world. Put their mosque in the middle of a landfill [ Report ]

FUCK HALAL EATIN MOTHER FUCKERS [ Report ]

The radical muslims have made a very bad name for their culture. We should have just turned their land into a parking lot years ago! Before they did it to us. We need to stop being a bunch of pushovers and show the world that America is a force that shouldn't be screwed with! [ Report ]

This is an outrage. A mosque at Ground Zero will tell the world that what happened on 9-11-01 is okay with Americans. I think I'll email Bill O'Reilly at FoxNews and see if he can do a segment on this. Also, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin and every other real conservative talk show host needs to bring this ...out in the open. Political correctness is most likely a huge factor in this idea.[ Report ]
Sorry, but that last one literally made me laugh-out-loud. I'm gonna email Bill O'Reilly!!

its always the fucking same no matter where your from no matter what country ...all governments bend over backwards for these muzzie cunts ...its a total piss take that they are even thinking about building it in nyc itself never mind near ground zero ....god bless america ....from a very pissed off englishman [ Report ]

The announcement of the proposed plan to build this Mega-Mosque at Ground Zero, and the OKAY to do so, is actually a GOOD thing. It will FINALLY WAKE UP AMERICANS to the VERY REAL THREAT we face with the rapid Islamification of, first, Europe, now US !!!!! THIS IS OUR TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!!! "NO" to pacifying ...the millions of Muslims in the U.S.A. I've never heard any outcry from "Moderate Muslims" over terror attacks or attempted ones. This is OUR TIME TO UNITE AND MOBILISE AS A WHOLE rather than sitting back in our individual states, bitching about our cities being taken over by this insideous menace. [ Report ]

It's their way to pay tribute to the terrorists who murdered innocent American's. It's the same as the Dome of the Rock....Mohamed, can I say his name?, never went anywhere close to Jerusalem, he only dreamnt that he was there...so in their minds reallity is what you make up and not what really happened. I think we need to start doing to the Islam Jaheedists what we did to the Japanese in WWII [ Report ]

Time to show the Muzzies that we've had enough of their "Religion of Peace". Time to show our elected "leaders" that it's our way or the highway. Time to take back OUR own damn country from all the foreign invaders who seek to conquer us by using our own Constitution against us! [ Report ]
Hypocrisy
(and apparent confusion about the freedom of religion and the separation of church and state)
This country was built on Christian values and would be succeeding in every aspect if we would just give the country back to God. Stand up for Him. Stand up for the country He gave us. Respect these people and their families. Do not build that mosque!! If they do it would be total disrespect on their graves.[ Report ]

I am sorry but you useless fuckers go to the site and spray pigs blood on it, plant pigs heads around it on pikes. If that does not work then sit on the fucking place and dont let them build fuck all! God save the Queen! [ Report ]

I AM TOTALLY AGINST THIS MOSQUE TO BE BIULT ON THE SACRED GROUND ZERO. ONE NATION UNDER GOD WHO ARE THESE CRAZY NUTTY PEOOPLE WHO THINK THEY CAN ROUN THIS CONTRY TO BE BIULT ON THE SACRED GROUND ZERO. [ Report ]
And... Miscellaneous WTF?

alllrightttt let me break this down fer everyone....i wasnt there, im not a surviovor, but my father was!!!! he was a housing detective thatt dissapeared cus some fucking carpetriding jingle-la-la's decided that it would please their god if they did some fucked up shit...soo yeah lets set up another one those religiou......s places and fuckkkin they can plot at one too...............ITS LIEK A ARAB STEALING A PIECE OF CAKE FROM YOU AND THAN EATING IT AS YOU WATCH!!!! fuck that fuck taliban fuck alqueda anddddd fuck a mosque at ground zerooo thats like putting a japanese hibachi grill in pearl harbour...FUCKKKKKK THATTTT
p.s i served in the military and saww friends leave on a ship never to return again...these islamic fucks are being scummy....if we tryed building a church on MECCA....theyd be bitching like a jappy school girl soooo fuckk that they started beef...were just fuucking ending it [ Report ]

Building a mosque near ground zero is just plain disrespectful. It´s sacred ground and I feel that the people in New York has suffered enough. All those who claim we should not blame the muslims, that is just crazy! I´m sorry to say, but coming from personal experience, all muslims think alike! Tried to be openminded and be friends with these people, but after a while, they all show their true colors! I strongly reccomend the movie "Where in the world is Usama bin Ladin" made by the Supersize me-guy (can´t remember his name). He is travelling to the middle east, interviewing some people. These are really clear about how they feel about America and the americans. And what about that asshole a couple of weeks ago, the one who tried to blow up an SUV in the middle of Times Square. He just became an american citizen, and instead of being happy and appreciate that, ha attempted to preform acts of terrorism. These ppl should be sent back to the deserts they came from! [ Report ]

I am sorry but you useless fuckers go to the site and spray pigs blood on it, plant pigs heads around it on pikes. If that does not work then sit on the fucking place and dont let them build fuck all! God save the Queen! [ Report ]
I'm not sure what's more upsetting.... how completely disgustingly hateful and racist most of these comments are... or how bad the spelling and grammar is.

PLEASE REPORT THESE USERS/COMMENTS and any others that contain racist/hate speech and/or incite violence if you agree that this type of blind hatred and hypocrisy is wrong.

There may be legitimate concerns about whether it is appropriate to have a building for religious worship close to the World Trade Center site, however there are less offensive ways to make that point and violence is never okay. We all need to stand up against racism, fear-mongering, and plain old ignorance. Radical terrorists may have used Islam to justify the murder of many people, but Islam was not the cause of the 9/11 attack and most Muslims are not terrorists do not support the terrorists and do not support violence. It's also worth nothing that many Muslims were victims of the 9/11 attacks as well and there have been a number of anti-Muslim acts of violence since 9/11. Of course, those incidents don't get as much coverage as fear-mongering "OMG! A Mosque! In New York City!"

Where are the Outraged people against anti-Islamic violence?

UPDATE: Apparently someone hacked the group (either that or the admin had a change of heart?) and changed the name to "People in favor of the mega mosque and eager to forget 9-11". However, the offensive comments - and calls for violence - keep coming so please keep reporting them. (There is also another related group 1,000,000+ people who disapprove of building a mosque at Ground Zero! which has an equal number of offensive, reportable content.)

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3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Consider it done. What utter wastes of space.

Melissa said...

Done. Horrifying.

Anonymous said...

wow. just wow. I've reported 10 or 15 and will report more later on...